The Rules Book - Do the Rules Work?

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By aethelthryth

Don't read it if you're not serious about marriage

This article, like The Rules, is for women who are serious about getting married.  Men will not understand it and women who don't want to get married will have no use for it.  Women who want to get married, but not right now, will probably think it sounds desperate, manipulative, and unromantic.  It is none of those, but it can appear that way if you don't have the motivation to really hear what they're saying.  

But if, like me ten years ago, you are serious about marriage, and you don't understand why the same cycle keeps repeating in your relationships, you won't care who likes the book or doesn't.  All you want to know is, does it work?  Is it worth my time to read?  The short answer is: I'm happily married now.

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What The Rules book says

The Rules explains why two questions most women have at some point are related: how can I get the man I love to love me? And why won’t the men I can’t stand go away?

The premise of The Rules is that men love a challenge. If you want a man to act like a man, and treat you like a woman, challenge him as a man. Easy to say, very tough to do.

Why the Rules are controversial

I see the controversy over The Rules coming from two directions. First, it is politically incorrect to say that there are anything but minor physical differences between men and women. Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider don't really bother with arguing; they just point out that, like it or not, for whatever reason, this is what works with men. If you act this way, men will treat you the way you want to be treated. If not, they won't.

The other part of the controversy is that though the Rules are simple, they are VERY hard to do when you really want to know where you stand with a man. Therefore, there are a lot of women out there disparaging the Rules not because they don't work, but because the women couldn't or wouldn't follow them. It is sort of like listening to high school dropouts talk about college. They might be right that college is pointless, but you naturally don't pay attention to them saying so because the more likely explanation is, they are lazy.

So I suggest you don't waste your time listening to anyone criticize the Rules, unless it is a woman married to someone you respect, who has read and understands The Rules. Even then, if you look closely at what she did, she may be like women I know who don't like the political incorrectness of The Rules, but they did, for some other reason, exactly what the Rules recommend, and that's why they're married. Meanwhile, the friends of these women, who listened to their recommendations, aren't married, or are married in name only.

Are things really different today?

A common criticism of The Rules book is that it is going back to the Stone Age, and things are different today.

Well, our grandmothers let men pursue them; they got married far more easily than today, and there wasn't a lot of moaning about commitment-phobia.  Has human nature really changed in a couple generations?  Culture changes, but men are still men, women are still different, and there just might possibly be a reason that women who do the pursuing seem to be the ones who end up unhappy.  Anyway, you don't have to agree with the reason.  Just take a look at real life and see what actually works. 

Do the Rules work? What do you think?

Have you read The Rules?

  • No, never heard of the book
  • No, heard it was mean and evil
  • Yes, and hated it
  • Yes, and loved it
  • Yes, and that's why I'm married now
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Audio clip from The Rules book

How to challenge a man

The Rules are all about being a challenge to men. Even women like challenge – in fact, that’s probably your biggest problem with the men in your life who won’t go away. You may even have liked them at first, but now they are no challenge to you because they are always there.

Remember the country song that says, “How can I miss you if you won’t go away?” Now put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine what it does to a man’s interest if he isn’t sure whether you’ll be there if he stops pursuing you.

Unfortunately, the man does have to have at least a spark of interest, and you can't control whether you are the type of woman he likes. The Rules book gives tips on how to strike any sparks that may be possible, while keeping your heart from being broken if everything stays cold and dark. But its main point is how to turn sparks into flame.

The Rules for the 1600s

I came across a poem where Ben Jonson (1573-1637) describes the you-don't-want-what-you-get-easily principle in action, the other way around.

From That Women Are but Men's Shadows by Ben Jonson

Follow a shadow, it still flies you;
Seem to fly, it will pursue;
So court a mistress, she denies you;
Let her alone, she will court you.
Say, are not women truly then
Styled but the shadows of us men?

Do you have to follow the Rules to get married?

The Rules book is not really rules.  It’s really about an attitude.  The instructions are just the method for faking until you really feel like a prize any man would be lucky to get.  The instructions are written that way because in capturing a man’s heart, you will have scary times of not knowing for sure what the man will do, and, you just want to know RIGHT NOW what he thinks of you.  The Rules are written to keep you focused on the long term – to keep you from digging up the relationship seedling before it has a chance to sprout.  

If you can manage this attitude all by yourself, you don’t need the book.  But since for a couple generations now women have been raised to tell men exactly what they think of them, mysterious elusiveness is for most of us a lost art as much as canning, breadmaking, and milking cows.  

Objections to The Rules

No, you won't have to act like this forever, and it isn't being mean to men.  

Challenge is not the only thing men need; you won’t have to act uninterested forever.  It will just seem like forever while you’re waiting for the phone to ring rather than picking it up and dialing!  It’s tough at first because in today’s society it takes a while for a man to really believe you’re not desperate enough to chase him.  But later it won't take nearly as much of your effort to keep him thinking you are a special prize.   

Many have said the Rules are about being mean to men.  Quite the contrary; niceness is not only okay but encouraged.  What you can’t do is pay special attention to a man who hasn’t earned it by making a commitment to you. 

Men will say you are being mean to them, especially if they are used to getting whatever they want from you.  Just pay attention to their behavior instead of their words, and you will notice you are actually giving them something – excitement, romance, a reason to do more and act better than they thought they could.  

Do The Rules work?

So, do the Rules work?  Yes.

Read old books, watch classic movies, talk to women who are happily married about how they got that way.  You will find a common theme of an obstacle in the relationship that the man had to overcome, and the value he places on his wife after that matches how hard it was to overcome the obstacle.  The Rules work by being that obstacle, by allowing a woman to define her value in a man’s eyes.    

Am I right?

Do you think the Rules work?

  • No, men really don't react that way
  • Yes, because men always go for women who treat them badly
  • Yes, because men always go for women who don't seem to have noticed them
  • Probably - I need to learn more about this
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Where The Rules is incomplete

One area in which I partly disagree with Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider is where they say not to get intimate too early in the relationship. 

I say wait with that till marriage (might happen sooner than you think!)  God made physical intimacy for marriage, and you mess with His design at your own peril.  Even if you don’t believe in God, it's still true that nobody buys a cow when its milk is free. 

Now, what if the milk is expensive today, but you think you can get it free in a few weeks or months?  Many men will wait for free milk.  But if the milk looks good, and it’s never even going to be cheap, a man will invest in the cow pretty quickly.  Once he’s made that investment, he's very proud of the milk that's his alone!

What about Ellen Fein’s divorce?

Ellen Fein did get divorced about the time The Rules III came out (she is now remarried). She claimed it was irrelevant to the Rules.

I agree. The Rules are about getting married. It is really a different, though overlapping, skill set from that needed to stay married, which is why there are a lot of wonderful women who cannot even get a date, and horrible women who get proposals all the time from men who should know better. The Rules book is not a substitute for the communication, courtesy, and kindness that a good marriage requires.

The Rules and how I got married

I discovered The Rules in the late 1990s. I was so glad to have an explanation for the cycle that seemed to keep happening in my life - I’d meet a man I couldn’t stand, who would then pay a lot of attention to me and I’d fall in love with him, and then the door would slam in my face.

I realized I had a lot of habits to change; most of all, I had to stop the call-up-anytime-to-talk relationship with my male friends. That's a brother-sister relationship, and brothers don't find their sisters fascinating.

It was hard changing my habits at 30, but loneliness and biological clocks are powerful motivators. Things didn’t change instantly, and quality men don’t come along every day at that age. But I started having a whole lot more dates, a whole lot less heartbreak, and a lot more attention from the quality men who were already in my life.

When I met the man who is now my husband, I broke a few of the Rules - before we even met, I asked him if he’d ever been in love (he said no). But for various reasons I didn't take our first dates seriously, so my attitude made up for broken Rules. It was obvious my life did not revolve around him. By the time I realized the relationship really might have a chance, I was confident enough in his interest to keep my emotions out of it till I had his commitment.

Seven months after our first date, when I was 35, we were married, and now we have three wonderful children too, which is its own miracle at that age!

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dashingscorpio Level 5 Commenter 12 months ago

First of all congratulations on your marriage!

I suspect the real reason why you were engaged so quickly had very little to do with "The Rules". A woman who is age 35 and is interested in getting married is most likely dating men close to her age or older. Men in that age group are more open to getting married. A girl at age 22 who attempts to use "The Rules" to get her 22 year old boyfriend to marry her is likely to fail. The guy just checked out of his dorm room or escaped from his parent's basement! Marriage is the last thing on his mind! (Rules or no rules). People get married because BOTH people want to. (Finding someone who wants what you want is a better use of your time than trying to "convince" someone that you are "the one".)

Like attracts like in the long run. "The Rules" are likely to work on men who were raised to look for the qualities espoused in the book when it comes to selecting a wife. Certain regions of the country are more likely to have men that are more familiar with "traditional courtship".

However for the majority of "young men" in America the rules are not likely to work because those traditional dating techniques were destroyed by women long ago. The vast majority of "young women" today have chosen to be "Equal" over being "Special". The birth control pill, abortion rights, higher income opportunities, and artificial insemination have made men practically unnecessary! LOL!

Strict laws have also changed the way a man pursues a woman.

"The premise of The Rules is that men love a challenge. If you want a man to act like a man, and treat you like a woman, challenge him as a man" (The so called CHASE is dead)

Today at anytime a woman can call what use to be considered "wooing attempts" by a man "sexual harassment" or "stalking". A man is better off walking away from a woman who "acts like she's not interested in him." No means NO and men now days are looking for women to meet them half way.

"The Rules book is not really rules. It’s really about an attitude. The instructions are just the method for (faking) until you really feel like a prize any man would be lucky to get……(you won’t have to act uninterested forever)."

Aaah, The old "bait and switch" both sexes have been known to "fake" behavior in order to get what they want from each other. It's not uncommon for men to say beautiful things, worship & adore, spoil women with flowers, poetry, and gifts..etc only to marry them and take them for granted! A woman who acts alluring, sexy, and enticing will not have a happy man if it turns out she doesn't deliver based upon his expectations. "When we change our circumstances change". Whatever it took to win your mate's heart is the same thing it will take to keep them. "Faking" gives way to disappointment. The only rule that matters is "Be Yourself" and if that is not enough to convince your man that "you are the one" then it's very likely he is NOT the one for you! Ultimately we are all looking for someone who will love and accept us for who we are! One Man's Opinion! :-)

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aethelthryth Hub Author 12 months ago

Many good points, especially that women have asked for equality and aren't so happy with the result that followed.

I do think that a woman who really knows what she's doing can convince a 22-year-old that he wants her even more than he wants being on his own. But it would have been tough even for our grandmothers to do that, and women today know much less about what men want than our grandmothers did. Also, most 22-year-old women think they don't want to get married. Actually, a theory I've come up with based on my own and others' reactions at those ages is that you can't tell a woman anything between about 13 and 30. Anything they don't know about how to treat men by 13, they won't bother to learn till they're 30. After that, some humility sets in with the first signs of gray hairs and wrinkles.

Oh, and the "faking it" was not about doing something you don't really mean, but more like what you have to do to start a physical fitness habit. You have to act for a while like someone who actually likes getting up at 6AM to go running for a long time before you really feel that way. Likewise, a woman has to *act* like a woman who can't be had by every man who comes along, no matter how wonderful, for a long time before she *feels* confident enough to actually not run after the man begging him to pay attention to her.

I very much appreciate your perspective, and I'm sure any women reading this will too, but if the Rules sound strange to you, all I can say is, few if any men have any idea how differently women think than men in this area.

KikI 5 months ago

The Rules are great for women , Why?.They prevent us from getting emotionally involved with a man before he has proven his worth.Its about boundaries and self protection.If any woman chased a man she will tell u just how painful and degrading it is.

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aethelthryth Hub Author 5 months ago

Kikl, you said it perfectly.

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tamron Level 3 Commenter 4 months ago

I remember those days chasing men it was exciting at first but it soon was nerve racking embarrassing and darn right humiliating. Nowadays I just keep busy if one comes along fine and dandy if not no loss. Great article!

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aethelthryth Hub Author 4 months ago

tamron, keep up the good work! You may fascinate some low-quality men along the way, but they're still men and good practice for how to treat a high-quality man when he comes along. You never know what you may inspire in a man who's never been seriously challenged before.

KurtSt 2 months ago

Doesn't the "Rules" instruct women to not always answer the phone and frequently not return phone calls? If a woman did that with me, I would likely assume she wasn't that interested and move on.

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aethelthryth Hub Author 2 months ago

That would be a good assumption, KurtSt. The whole point of the Rules is to help a woman act like she's not that interested when she is - and only because that sorts out the men who weren't really interested in her from the men who are interested enough to make an effort to get her interest!

When not restrained either by convention, the Rules, or circumstances, most of us women have an amazing ability to completely blow out any sparks of interest in our efforts to get a fire going.

KurtSt 2 months ago

aethelthryth, I can tell you that as a man I want a woman who wants me. If you think men enjoy chasing after women who are behaving like they aren't that interested, you are generally wrong. Maybe some desperate men will continue to chase because although they are getting mixed signals, they think that they might have a chance. However, more experienced men will give up.

However, if I have been putting forth the effort and a woman is not reciprocating that way that I think she should, then she is either not that interested or is playing games, neither of which is what I would want in a woman.

You are correct in that the Rules will weed out men who weren't that interested, but it will also weed out a lot of men who really were interested. Why should a man tolerate that type of behavior when there are other, more mature women available who don't play those games?

Many women will often go out on dates with men they don't like that much just because the men are paying and maybe the women are bored or whatever. Men are well aware of this behavior and as they get older they pick up on certain behavior and are quicker to give up when a woman started exhibiting disinterested behavior, or at least that has been the case for me and most of the guys I know.

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phdast7 Level 8 Commenter 2 months ago

I remember hearing about the Rules about ten years ago and of course there were lots of strong reactions back then, pro and con, just as there are now. You did a great job explaining the book's premise. Very well written and quite interesting. Voted UP, Useful, and Interesting. :)

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aethelthryth Hub Author 2 months ago

Well, KurtSt, speaking for me and most of my single female friends, any woman who has a life is likely to be out a lot (work, church, volunteering, doing things with friends, not to mention the dates it takes to give each reasonable man a chance). It often took me and my best female friend two weeks to plan a time to meet! So a new man in the life of such a woman is just going to have to fit the schedule and prove that he's worthy to move up in priority.

However, the key words you used are "if I have been putting forth the effort". In that case, you are not new, and if the woman is interested, you certainly should move up somewhat in priority - but you should not be displacing a female best friend until you have proved yourself interested in being a better friend! But if you are being treated better than her childhood best friend when you have been around for a month, you are very likely to soon feel stifled. The Rules is about balance, about preventing women from doing that to you.

I have heard of a woman who told a (very decent) man she couldn't go out with him because had to give her ferret a bath. That is not the Rules; that is a rude woman you should be glad to get away from! (I've had ferrets. Baths don't help.)

phdast7, thank you; I heard only negative things about The Rules before I actually read them. I just want other women like me to have a chance to hear what they actually say before dismissing them!

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Jeannieinabottle Level 7 Commenter 7 weeks ago

I've never read this book before, but I have heard about it. Even if I don't agree with women going back to the Stone Age, I do agree that men want to pursue women. No one wants anything if it is too easy to obtain. I've noticed if I pursue a man, it never goes anywhere. If I let him pursue me, everything is better. Great hub and voted up!

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aethelthryth Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Jeannieinabottle, thank you for your comment, and to any single women who stop by here, I want to recommend Jeannieinabottle's Hubs for those days when you really need to read something lighthearted and humorous about singleness.

Lynn 3 days ago

The Rules were a convenient excuse for me to act uninterested in men I was very attracted to so that I didn't get hurt again.

It's the truth. And I'm still single.

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